An analysis of religious bigotry February 18, 2010Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, religion.
Tags: equal rights, Gay rights, marriage equality, religious bigotry
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And that is precisely what drives all of the opposition to GLBT people having full equality. The Southern Poverty Law Center does a nice job of showing the bigots for what they really are. By coaching it as special rights it devalues our cause. We cannot continue to let them get away with this. Expose them for what they really are Christians of a hypocritical nature. They cannot see the forest for the trees.
This paragraph grabbed me though:
Writing in support of DOMA, Bauer predicted that gay marriage would have dire consequences for Americans of faith: “If they succeed, all distinctions based on sex may fall, and the worst aspects of the rejected Equal Rights Amendment will be imposed. Homosexuals will gain the ‘right’ to adopt children; … churches will be pushed outside civil law; and government power will be wielded against anyone who holds the biblical view of homosexuality.”
I’d like to see Bauer’s explanation of the ‘worst aspects’ of the ERA. I think it’s just an anti-feminist attitude to be honest. The concept of women as equals is abhorrent to the religious bigots.
The use of single quotation marks shows Bauer’s attitude about what he things of civil rights equality. Because that’s what this fight is all about, that we are EQUAL to everyone else, not necessarily better than or lesser than but equal under the eyes of the law.
As to his claim of churches being pushed outside civil law, I’d welcome that. The churches had the better part of two millenia to get it right and they never did. So much so that Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses on the door of the church in Wittenburg. And of course in the U.S. you’ve got Methodists, Southern Baptists, Presbe…oh screw it you know many crazy ass sects are in the U.S. If even they can’t agree on basic doctrine what makes them think they can agree about equal rights?
I had to pin progress in civil right as starting in one era I’d say the industrial age is what propelled society. You can sort of see this going on in China right now as people flock to the cities where jobs are plentiful and money isn’t as short.
There was a poll on facebook about what was a better environment for kids to grow, city, suburbs or rural. I explained that the city was the best place. Cities mix it up. I made the same argument when the likes of Tucker Carlson moaned that people who complete a four year college are more liberal than others. Of course they are, you go to college and you meet people from other countries, states and cultures. You’re required to take what I term soft arts courses like sociology,l psychology. To charge those areas with a liberal bias is ridiculous, Studies of the humanities by their nature are liberal because they deal in truths about existence.
The same applies to social attitudes. I can remember when the area I live in was predominantly Italian. That only started to change in the late 1980’s. Now it’s Italian, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Lebanese etc. The signs on the church down the street and at the nearby supermarket are in English, Spanish and Italian.
But you mix it up. Granted we have a long way to go but it’s happening. It happened when my father of Italian descent married my mother who was predominantly Irish. And it happens today when my Irish descended friend’s brother marries a Puerto Rican girl. Over and over again. And that’s good. Good for the genome, good for society.
Enough of that. His reference to the biblical view is comical. If you’ve ever read the entire book you get a fairly schizophrenic read on the Bible. Contradictions galore. But the religious always say you can’t throw the baby out with the bath water. That’s an apples to oranges comparison. If the Bible is the inspired and literal word of God, don’t you think divorce is wrong? Or that people who eat shellfish are committing and abomination?
Of course not, the anti-homosexual bigots are taking things out of context in the Bible. The folks at the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible can only pull 38 quotes out of the entire Bible. Compare that to the 453 contradictions, or the 1,582 absurdities. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve read the entire book but the folks at Skeptic’s have done a nice job assembling it all for easy reference.
A Catholic Priest that supports equality? You're kidding me, right? November 9, 2009Posted by truthspew in marriage equality, religion.
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The following appeared in the Letters to the Editor section of the Providence Journal on 11/09/2009:
Now that Maine has joined California in voting down legalized marriage for homosexual persons, I wish to state my concerns and pledge my prayers for those children, men and women affected. No matter where one stands with regard to this issue the ping-ponging of persons’ lives by signing into law and then voting out same-sex marriage is unconscionable. It is not a “good thing.”
The resulting “now you’re married, now you’re not; now you’re equal, now you’re not” is beginning to have an abusive and harassing feel to it. As protection under the law for married homosexual persons is once again taken up in Rhode Island, I ask the judicial and legislative branches of government here to please pay attention. For some this crusade is like wheeling and dealing with their lives; this see-sawing and legal-not-legal game has the look of a kind of sexual abuse (the damaging of a person with regard to his or her sexual life).
This also has an adverse effect on the children of same-sex parents who can use as much emotional and economic protection these days as anyone else. This is unless one of their parents happens to be an investment banker who has or will receive a multi-million-dollar severance bonus from the federal government.
The attempt by those labeled lawless, immoral and licentious to connect with laws and licenses to assume a more responsible and accountable place in their various societies should be looked at very carefully. And if Governor and Mrs. Carcieri as well as other officials exhibited the same passion for our economic climate and double-digit unemployment as they do for preaching against illegal immigrants, single-parent families and same-sex marriages, we might make some good progress here in Rhode Island.
The Rev. Michael J. Menna
The writer is pastor of St. Ann Catholic Church.
I’m a little taken aback. The only priests I’ve heard from in recent past were anti-gay bigots for the most part though there’s one who I think is sliding toward our side.
But Rev. Menna writes a great letter. I have to wonder how long our bigoted Mr. Tobin (aka Bishop) will take to write a response that both condemns and forgives both the Rev. Menna and gay people in general.
Maybe we can get this guy to join us at the next round of hearings. That would be fun. Seeing a Catholic priest get up and testify in support of marriage equality.
Religious WackNuttery November 1, 2009Posted by truthspew in government, politics, religion.
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So I’m going through my blog feeds this morning and I see on the blog “Stardust Musings and Thought for the Free Thinker” that the Christian nutjobs have their own special web site that proposes basing everything on the Ten Commandments.
Being the curious sort I had to go and look. It’s kind of like a car wreck or a train crash for me. I’m always drawn to the insanity of religion, particularly when it goes past crazy into ludicrous territory.
I’m going to take just a half dozen of the ones that strike me as the height of absurdity and give my response. You can see all of them here.
First we need to examine the Ten Commandments.
The first four establish their god as a jealous and petty fellow. Not someone I’d want to befriend that’s for certain.
1. You shall have no other gods before me.
This is interesting because in the Genesis story God himself alludes to other ‘gods’. In essence we have God, Yahweh, Al’Lah or whatever other name it goes by establishing its dominance. Nice!
2. You shall make no graven images of me.
Because nobody has ever SEEN their god. Look at the idolatry of Jesus Christ. Ever notice he doesn’t look even mildly Semitic? He’s always the lilly white version.
if you want to find the height of nuttery look at the Muslim offense to cartoons of their prophet that were published in Danish newspapers and magazine. Christians should take a note but then Christians are big on idolatry so I guess that’s why. And the biggest idolaters out there are the Catholics.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Whoa! This one gets violated on a pretty regular basis, god damn it!
4. Remember the sabath day and keep it holy.
This would be all well and good if everyone could get their collective act together and decide when the Sabath actually occurs. The Jews start from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, while Christians pretty much just choose Sunday. So how the hell can you remember the Sabath if you don’t know on which day it falls?
5. Honor they father and mother
Tell that to the crack babies, or the foster kids, et al. Wait for the howls of derisive laughter.
6. No murder
Well, this one makes some sense upon some thought. But I have a better off dead list anyhow but it’s not this commandment that makes me stop from exercising the options on that list. What makes me stop is that even though I’m an atheist I still think the rule “Do unto others as you’d have done unto yourself.” is a pretty good way to live life.
7. No adultery
Here’s one that Christian’s (and Jews!) can’t get their heads around. With a divorce rate in the U.S. of 50% you know that theyre’ not following the commandments.
And here’s my prediction, if we were to be placed on biblical law and #7 were followed it also means no divorce. So you’d see incidence of domestic violence including murder go up if you took away divorce. Fun times for all! (Note the sarcasm!)
Three more to go:
8. Thou shall not steal
A reasonable commandment if you ask me. But it’s violated on a regular basis. Look at corporations, biggest thieves in centuries. A strictly biblical approach would lead to a solution for THAT problem.
9. Thou shall not bear false witness against they neighbor.
The anti-homosexual crowd could learn a thing or six from this one. In other words, don’t lie about other people.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.
Well, we’re all just a little guilty of covetous behavior at times. This isn’t a thorough list but it’s a start. Is it ok to covet the ass of the male servant?
Now for the good part, the nuttery:
Children deserve better than to be forced to live with homosexual parents. Where there are such parents, they should be punished according to Leviticus 20:13, and the children should be placed within righteous families.
For reference Leviticus 20:13 is the passage that has it’s misogynist root about a man not laying with another man as with a woman, for that is an abomination and they shall surely be put to death.
Skip forward to Leviticus 20:14, if you bag a mother daughter tag team gets you a burning at the stake!
It’s all idiotic twaddle built for a desert society that exists a couple of eons ago. Things have changed dramatically and that is precisely what these religious nut jobs don’t like. They don’t like the fact that science, engineering and government has advanced considerably.
What is the use of higher learning, critical thinking and educational skills when they do not enable you to know God?
This one make me laugh. higher learning, critical thinking and educational skills enable one to know God a little too well. So well in fact that it comes to the point that we realize we’ve had the wool pulled over our eyes for so many years due to a fictional character.
The more “technologically advanced” the world becomes, the more morally stupid it becomes.
I think the inverse is true and that becomes more a danger to religious hypocrisy than anything else. And they fail to realize that the technologically advanced world is responsible for helping them to get their sick, twisted message out to the public.
God has stated that, “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’ (Psalms 14:1;53:1). In view of that solemn fact, it is quite interesting to note who the people are who deny the existence of God. They are government officials, the rich, scientists, college professors, teachers, attorneys, doctors, etc. All who deny God are to be rightly regarded as “FOOLS,” regardless of their job titles, levels of education and positions in the society.
Think of me as a fool all you wish but I know your Bible better than you do. They say to really vanquish an enemy you must know them. I know what the Christian Nuttery is up to at all times. It’s best summed up as “All up in the Kool-Aid and they don’t know the flavor.”
**WARNING*** Racist content coming….
Blacks have never understood how blessed it is to be outcasts in the american society.
This truly struck a WTF chord in me. The Christian nut jobs have this thing where they’re always better than everyone else. But in this little turd, they actually have the stones to come out and say it’s a blessing to be an outcast in American society? Hence the “What the fuck?” moment.
And finally since this post is getting a little long in the tooth:
Growing old should not cause anyone to become a bigger fool.
With age comes wisdom. And that wisdom includes the fact that ‘evidence’ for the existence of God isn’t evidence at all. The religious would say it’s self-evident. In other words, just because I say that “I am.” then I am. Kind of circular logic when you think about it.
That was the thing that got me through my 12 years of education in Catholic schools. The circular logic regarding religion used to astound me.
Let me be absolutely clear though. I refuse to live under a society that embraces the Ten Commandments. That runs totally contrary to my being.
And if you want to see what happens when you allow the religious nut jobs to take the reigns I give you Iran. There is a cluster fuck just waiting to happen.
Getting another bigot to turn off comments on YouTube October 29, 2009Posted by truthspew in religion.
Tags: logic, religion, Religious Bigots
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So I get sent all sorts of YouTube videos. The latest was this one:
Granted I think fundamentalist Islam is as ridiculous as fundamentalist Christians.
Anyhow there was a bit of a comment war going on. I love comment wars.
Go look at the comments here. I note he’s now disabled all comments. I suppose it was getting to the point where he was approaching psychosis because he felt responsible to respond to every comment. If you’re interested, in that above link, just search on kd1s. That’s me. I like to think I had this religious bigot foaming at the mouth.
By the way, when I look at warningsinners profile I see SoutherPreachers is one of his ‘friends’. I should have known.
So this is standard tactic of religious bigots. Refute them with hard data, ridicule them and their god, and they shut off comments instead of engaging in debate.
The truth about the opposition October 28, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, politics, religion.
Tags: Gay rights, marriage equality
I’m speaking of the opposition to gay rights and marriage equality.
Here is what I see as the real truth. The opposition numbers far below supporters. For example today at the Maine State House.one Peter LaBarbera (aka Porno Petey) of Americans for truth against Homosexuality (ATAH), was having a little pre-voting speech. Of course the entire content of LaBarbera’s speech was filled with religious biogtry.
The real issue is how many supporters of LaBarbera and ATAH showed up. There were about 36 people from what I read over at Pam’s House Blend.
Per the breakdown only 9 of them were part of Porno Petey’s Posse.
I’ve seen the same thing here in RI when NOM does a dog and pony show. They get maybe five or six of their ‘friends’ to come out. Here is one example from a Marriage Equality RI gathering back on June 6, 2009.
They’re to the center left in the above photo, all five of them including Chris “The Whore” Plante, NOM RI Director.
What I’m trying to say is this, those who oppose us are a vocal minority. It isn’t easy being a bigot. That’s why you’ll see several hundred supporters and maybe a dozen opposition if you’re lucky.
Same was true at the National Equality March in D.C. You had the usual crazies like the WBC but the opposition was maybe 0.00000001% of the total crowd.
And then let us look at the Catholic Church in Rhode Island.
How many people still attend church? I know when I go by Holy Ghost church down the street from me on a Sunday morning I don’t see a full parking lot nor do I see a lot of people in there.
Nope, instead who do we hear from? That dwindling class, the clerics who oppose marriage equality. They’re loud about it too. You get bigots like Malone in Maine, or Tobin here in RI. They are bishops but I refuse to respect use of the honorifics for the religious. And I’m sure we’ll hear from John Codega or Bernard Healey at the next round of hearings. But the reality is, they’ve lost this battle and they refuse to admit it. Instead they’ll beat around biblical passages to try and prove that their god is in the right.
Their god has been wrong before (Need I mention slavery? Or the other Levitical passages regarding grooming and eating habits?).
But we on the side of equality will prevail. We are learning how to outshout the opposition without having to raise our voice because of the sheer numbers we have that support us.
And I’m putting Speaker Murphy and Senate President Paiva-Weed on notice once again. You’re both playing with fire. You don’t want to see what happens when the body you lead goes against your wishes.
And to Governor Carcieri, hugs and kisses! It is now my prime mission to not only aggravate you but to annoy you so much that the real bigot in you will shine through.
Tradition, Family and Property Wing Nuts coming to RI July 21, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, religion.
Tags: American Society for the Defense of Tradition, dumb fuck wingnuts, Family and Property, Gay rights, marriage equality
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I wish I could find the date they’ll be here and where they’re planning to protest. More than likely they’ll do it near the State House. I just need to find out the date.
Anyhow, these delightful people have a little “10 Reasons why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must Be Opposed”
Here I’ll take the time to knock down their arguments:
1. It Is Not Marriage
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
Marriage has not always been a covenant between one man and one woman. In fact the institution of marriage as we know it is a modern conception. Prior to the modern era you didn’t marry for love, you married because your family chose your betrothed.
And lets not even get into the applied Roman concept. Had to do with “If it’s under my roof, it’s mine”.
2. It Violates Natural Law
Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.
Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.
Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.
Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
We’re not circumventing anything. We just want full equality. And of course they bring up my favorite Biblical author, old Saul of Tarsus. He was not only the worlds first documented homophobe, but a fairly big misogynist for his time.
And if we want to talk natural order, I do wish they’d explain homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom. And I need remind them, we humans are animals too.
And while I’m on the subject, my sexual orientation is immutable too.
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.
Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.
This one is raised by foes of marriage equality on an ad infinitum basis. It’s best summarized by the rhetorical question, “What about the children?”. Talk to most in the psychology field and they’ll tell you that the sex of the parent(s) doesn’t matter. It’s all about consistency, and being there. All the better if a child has two parents regardless of the sexual configuration of the union.
All these arguments are out of the same playbook used by the National Organization for Marriage.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.
Civil laws are structuring principles of man’s life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.
Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.
This is where it starts getting silly and exposes them for their general bigotry. I’d like to mention, I’m exposed to displays of heterosexuality nearly every day.
I’d love to know how it obscures morality. It doesn’t, this is just a straw man they love to prop up. As far as weakening public morality, I think there are other things that do that beyond who I love. You might want to look at corruption in government, there’s a big one to consider. Serious loss of morality there.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.
This is false.
First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.
Taking a Principled not a Personal Stand
In writing this statement, we have no intention to defame or disparage anyone. We are not moved by personal hatred against any individual. In intellectually opposing individuals or organizations promoting the homosexual agenda, our only intent is the defense of traditional marriage, the family, and the precious remnants of Christian civilization.
As practicing Catholics, we are filled with compassion and pray for those who struggle against unrelenting and violent temptation to homosexual sin. We pray for those who fall into homosexual sin out of human weakness, that God may assist them with His grace.
We are conscious of the enormous difference between these individuals who struggle with their weakness and strive to overcome it and others who transform their sin into a reason for pride and try to impose their lifestyle on society as a whole, in flagrant opposition to traditional Christian morality and natural law. However, we pray for these too.
We pray also for the judges, legislators and government officials who in one way or another take steps that favor homosexuality and same-sex “marriage.” We do not judge their intentions, interior dispositions, or personal motivations.
We reject and condemn any violence. We simply exercise our liberty as children of God (Rom. 8:21) and our constitutional rights to free speech and the candid, unapologetic and unashamed public display of our Catholic faith. We oppose arguments with arguments. To the arguments in favor of homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” we respond with arguments based on right reason, natural law and Divine Revelation.
In a polemical statement like this, it is possible that one or another formulation may be perceived as excessive or ironic. Such is not our intention.
The standard “The parts don’t fit” argument is invoked here and to paraphrase moralist John Corvino, “Yes, they do.”
And has nothing to do with the sexual practices, but everything to do with my civil rights. Again, straw man argument being brought up to deny basic civil rights.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.
Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.
Intrinsically sterile huh? So explain how I know of a few couples where the child is biologically linked to one partner or the other. I recall a marriage equality hearing where the NOM gentleman next to me started going off about how a lesbian couple got their child. I turned, looked at him and said “Did it ever occur to you that one of them was the biological mom?” at which point he started spouting that I was being intolerant. It was then I laid into him, and he wasn’t sitting next to me much longer.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.
So too is regular marriage the personal gratification. I really think they need to lay off the false logic here. As I pointed out earlier, not all homosexual couples have kids but some do, and it is not ‘sterile’ at all.
Should we also not forget, there are literally thousands of unwanted children out there that find a safe, stable home with homosexual parents.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.
In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.
Here we go with a variation of “What about the children?”. And this one smacks of bigotry, as if the acceptance of all society isn’t what a truly equal and inclusive society should be.
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.”
If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations.
The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:
The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people’s view of homosexuality.
And here we go with the truly psychotic association of homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia. Need I bring up the fact that most child molesters identify as straight, or how we’re not going to start screwing the pooch next. No, all we want are our rights under the Constitution of the United States and in my case, under the Rhode Island Constitution.
The gay movement is a civil rights issue. Granted, you need to change peoples minds and counter the negative bullshit circulated by the TFC assholes and the churches. And TFC is nothing but a church sponsored group, sort of like NOM though we’ll never truly know because the folks at NOM have been resistant to releasing their financial info.
Are we almost done yet? Here comes the tenth idiotic reason and it tips their hand to their real motivation. God:
10. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)
Tell me, who are these idiots to think they know the mind of God? Not that I think any such creature exists but still, it’s man putting words in their God’s mouth.
Do they not know that early Christians didn’t encourage marriage. If you were to devote your life to following Christ it wouldn’t be good for you to be married. It took the protestant reformation to move the early Catholics in the way of adopting a marriage scheme.
So did their God change his mind?
Californians against Hate fight back! April 17, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, politics, religion.
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This is great news. The anti equality groups are really having a tough time pushing their message. It is a Sisyphean task when you really think about it.
And even the architect of John McCain’s campaign has come out and said the GOP has to embrace marriage equality! Not to mention McCain’s wife and daughter trying to peddle the softer side of the GOP. Sorry but that is a tough sell. I see the GOP as the Party of Business. Remember that one? Their mantra seems to be cut taxes and increase spending. We’re going to pay the price of that one for a long time.
But it proves that everything being put forth by the National Organization for Marriage is deceitful and fraudulent. Not to mention I strongly suspect that NOM has a mole inside, how else could they not know what M4M stands for?
But I will say without a doubt that the Roman Catholic Church is involved with this too. Curiously I can’t find any records of the formation of NOM in RI, which means this is being driven from elsewhere. So I cannot get any financial info on the organization.
But if the Catholic church still has any money left, I’m pretty sure based on their lobby activity against marriage equality that they kicked a few bucks into NOM. Consider that Bishop Tobin and parish priest John Codega are both NOM ‘advisers’.
But of course church financial records are restricted, lest anyone get any idea how much all that real estate is really worth.
Marriage Equality Gaining Traction April 7, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, politics, religion.
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Good news from Vermont today. The legislature moved to override the governors veto of marriage equality.
Of course the Natioanl Organization for Marriage (An Oxymoron or I think I’ll just refer to them a NOMOXY’s now.) weighs in on it with a national ad campaign.
Here’s the gist of the NOMOXY message:
National Organization for Marriage will tomorrow launch a new national ad campaign that highlights how same-sex marriage undermines the core civil rights of those who believe in the simple truth that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
I guarantee you that their national ad will pounce on the precious snowflake argument. It seems that is all the opposition has left to fight with, the children.
Like some of you I took Developmental Pyschology and general Psychology in college. Kids are much more resilient and intelligent than the NOMOXY’s will give them credit for. I mentioned to a friend that at the age of 8 years I knew there was no God. I certainly got some good things out of the 12 years of Catholic schools, a good example of which is that maybe we should try loving our neighbor as ourselves a bit more. Perhaps we should take care of the downtrodden. You know, the good stuff.
A friends 8 year old son recently told a nun that “Religion is bullshit!” and was promptly expelled from that Catholic school. Good for him. Like I said, I knew it was bovine effluent at the age of 8 but chose to stick with it, always know thine enemy.
But it gets better, I live in RI where we Atheist/Nones make up 19% of the population, but it’s even higher in VT where atheists number 34% and New Hampshire where 29% don’t believe, 30% are Catholic, and about 30% baptist. That’s progress as far as I’m concerned. Because discrimination against gay marriage is directly traceable to the religious. There’s more than enough evidence of that now.
But we now have three states in New England where marriage equality is real, and now one from the heartland, Iowa. I’m so happy we got at least one legislative grant of equality, it proves that a legislature can be convinced to vote for equality.
Now playing: Marvin Gaye – Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)
Marriage Equality in Iowa April 3, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, politics, religion.
This is great news. We now have three judicial acts(IA, MA, CT), and one legislative act (VT). Should Speaker Murphy allow H5744 to go to a full vote we may just see a legislative in RI too.
I liken the process of marriage equality to a snowball. It starts off tiny at first, but by the time it gets a third of the way down hill it is the size of a car.
Ultimately I see a U.S. Supreme Court challenge coming. This will play out just like Loving v. Virginia played out.
The whole thing makes me wonder about the obstinacy of the likes of Murphy, Codega et al. There are three points of attack I’ve seen from the opposition:
1) It would limit the rights of the religious class.
No it wouldn’t. There are specific limitations built into the marriage laws and in the proposed changes to the pre-requisites in RI State Senate bill S0136 and House bill H5744. Throughout my discussions with the Rev. Codega the same argument has been brought up time and again.
One of the more famous arguments was regarding the church property in NJ. The case in point comes from Mount Laurel, NJ and the church in question was Methodist. The property in question is a beach pavillion, not a consecrated church building. In fact the corporation that owns the pavillion is the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association and I’d lay odd that it is on the tax rolls of its host community.
Another limitation they bring up is the hate speech laws. A clear example of what would and would not qualify as hate speech:
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 wouldn’t be classified as hate speech because they are biblical quotations. However using those passages to incite violence against gay people, that would be hate speech.
2) What about the children?
Another constant argument is that poor little snowflake would be irreconcilably crushed to find out that two men or two women can be as normal as their single parent. The most ridiculous of these cases is that of Robb and Robin Wirthlin.
Note Robb talking about the impacts of marriage equality. That these people participated in the Yes on 8 debacle makes me not like them very much at all.
And YouTube has a Yes on 8 group, look at their logo quickly and tell me what it looks like.
Would you say a well defined set of pectorals?
I’ve often said if you want to bring out every stripe of hater just run a black lesbian cripple for office. You cover the racial, homosexual, misogynistic and anti-disability angles in one person.
That is another lesson many of the religious fail to understand. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes. Try to have some empathy, to understand where the other person is coming from. That’s sort of how I’m dealing with the Rev. Codega, he specializes in collecting the lost among Catholics. I find that a laudable mission. But don’t use it to trample my rights.
3) The Parts don’t fit.
To paraphrase the gay moralist John Corvino, oh yes they do. Funny how that happens isn’t it. You’d think that a god who hates gay acts so much would have designed it so the parts wouldn’t fit. Once again another fine quote in that respect from Neil DeGrasse-Tyson, who would build an amusement park in the middle of a sewage treatment plant.
The argument also brings to mind the image of doing it in the dark, under the covers, and quietly. Hell I like ear splitting sex. Holler and moan all you want, just turns me on more. And it doesn’t have to be in the dark and under the covers.
Which brings up another thing. Straight people can be every bit as freaky as gay people. I feel sorry for people who’ve never been sexually liberated. They really don’t know what they’re missing.
Poll Data supports Marriage Equality April 1, 2009Posted by truthspew in Gay rights, marriage equality, politics, religion.
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As you well know, I’ve been having a rather extended email conversation with the Rev. John Codega of Christ the Redeemer Church in West Warwick, RI. In that exchange a lot of statistical data gets thrown about from sources such as the American Religious Identification Survey(PDF), ProJo Polls, etc.
I’ve been making the point that more than half of RI’ers support the right of gay people to marry one another, otherwise known as marriage equality.
Apparently Gallup did a recent national poll on Catholic/Non Catholic attitudes towards many of the dividing social issues of today, but they did a further classification, they classified by regular church attendance and non-regular attendance, E.G. Catholic in name only. I know quite a few of the latter category.
I do applaud Gallup for indicating their study methodology:
Results are based on telephone interviews with an aggregated sample of 3,022 national adults, aged 18 and older, interviewed in polls conducted in May 2006, May 2007, and May 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
Anyhow, keep in mind that this is a NATIONAL study and there is a bit of data that intrigues me.
It’s under the heading “Moral Acceptability of Issues Among Catholics and Non-Catholics”, look down at the category “Homosexual Relations”. 54% find it morally acceptable. Now the really interesting part is that the Providence Journal had a poll asking if marriage equality should be granted in RI and guess what the percentages came out to, 54% in favor. I realize I’m comparing dissimilar items since the ProJo poll doesn’t have the additional data points of membership, and frequency.
But the reason I think this is interesting is because RI is still an overwhelmingly Catholic state, I dare say the northeast in general is that way.
We’re gaining support from all corners now, the tide is turning and I believe a lot has to do with our visibility.